#mkroot
@ravirockks OFC they don't.
- And by "don't I don't mean "teach #assembly and CPU architectures" but anything that goes beyond #LinusTechTips's #Tutorials...
At best they show people how to change fan curves in the #UEFI or hiw to run #memtest86+, but mostly they just "teach" people how to consume #Windows and at best #macOS and that's it.
- I mean I don't expect any training center to teach people how to build #mkroot (#toybox + #linux) or #LinuxFromScratch but at least showing people how to use @ubuntu / #UbuntuLTS & @tails_live / @tails / #Tails should be in the cards if #RHEL & #SLES / #SLED isn't.
Same with @libreoffice / #LibreOffice & @thunderbird / #Thunderbird.
- At least the most pointless certification - #ECDL - isn't hard-locked to #Windows11 & #MicrosoftOffice per-se!
@SweetAIBelle yeah, basically what I saw the last time.
My Idea with OS/1337 is to take the concept of #mkroot and only do what's necessary to it to turn it into a fully useable #Linux distro.
I'd not call #OS1337 mkroot because I do want to do more than just provide a basic root filesystem, but kinda lay a solid foundation for other projects of others and myself to utilize it...
@SweetAIBelle @OS1337 shure.
I'm convinced that a fully-fledged image of that would be similar to #toybox's #mkroot, which is @landley 's reference implementation for a toxbox + #musl / #linux system.
- Last time I checked it came out just below 4 MB, but that was the premade image using only the stuff toybox included [and linux & being statically compiled against musl] like #gzip instead of #xz for compression, so there already is room to shave a few hundred kB without reducing functionality out of the get-go as I've seen with my build tests of #kernel666...
Either way, we're close to his reference matterial AFAICT and I do think that OS/1337 can become a good and solid foundation for #minimalist & #embedded systems.
For comparison:
#YoctoLinux is quite #THICC in comparison (using LSB & #GNUtils for the most part!) and stuff like #OpenADK seems to be overly complex...
- tho #Viprinet hasn't updated their stuff in like 8 years and I sincerely hope that's just them loginwalling access to #SourceCode like #grsecurity to paying customers only and not them such old Kernels.
Speaking of #grsec, I wounder if Bruce Perens actually sued them for allegedly violating #GPLv2 when in fact said license allows #paywalling aka. restricting access to buyers of the product it contains.
@SweetAIBelle that's why I started @OS1337 : I looked at #Floppynux by @w84death and while it works with #BusyBox it doesn't do much beyond cat and vi and doesn't even have like drivers to store anything.
OFC #OS1337 isn't much better as of now but I do share the motivation that made @landley start #toybox:
A simple, clean, lean and adaptible, #smol #Linux distro that can be the solid foundation for anything.
https://youtu.be/MkJkyMuBm3g&t=1408
Whilst #mkroot is nice, I think there is some room for improvement and building an actual #distro.
- Also he has made excellent documentation including a live demonstration on how to basically DIY a minimalist linux from scratch with #musl & toybox: https://youtu.be/Sk9TatW9ino
I feel that "Just chug in a #RaspberryPi with the lite Version of #RaspberryPiOS seems quite overkill (it's a 350MiB (!!!) image) for most projects and espechally when it comes to #security-related stuff like #Cryptofon, #PocketCrypto and #LambdaCrypt.
- I think that besides "Don't DIY encryption! There are excellent implementations ready to grab and go!" the #KISS-Principle is key, cuz I'm a shit coder and I want to avoid having to fiddle around and instead make it easy to fix stuff just by updating versions from upstream.
@lestrrat which is kinda sad...
Because things don't habe to have daily updates!
Personally, my current pet project - @OS1337 - is inspired by @landley 's #mkroot and @w84death 's #Floppinux in that I want to not just make a simple #Linux distro 'from scratch' as a personal "#demoscene-esque" challenge but to answer the question:
"What is the amallest possible yet still useable Distro I can build with which I (as Linux-#Sysadmin] can still #work?"
- And I came to the conclusion that I can basically do everything from an #SSH #terminal similar to the #VT69 by @violenceworks but like as #distro.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYfpptgb6W8
OFC that idea grew on me as I wanted to make something that is actually useable with just an 80x25 MDA or serial console...
It's still very rough around the edges, but you can just run it from a 1440kB 3,5" FDD on an i486SX and up with at least 16MB of RAM...
https://github.com/OS-1337/OS1337
You can download a test build from here...
@drwho Shit like this makes me hate not just #snap but @letsencrypt because that's more code than the entire backend for @cacert ...
- Seriously, there's no valid reason for #LetsEncrypt to take up more space than the
acme.sh& #CertBot scripts they made AND certainly not more than the #API for #CAcert back in it's days...
I think there needs to be more and harder pushes for #FrugalComputing because there's no valid reason they basically shove an entire #OS onto an existing one...
Tangents aside, people are free to create forks and even branches that include #SystemD or use #BusyBox:
That is the #Freedom of #FLOSS and in fact for anything outside the 1440kB target we'd accept #SystemD since it works and solves a lot of issues...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo
Granted OS/1337 isn't a #demo first but rather tries to take the concept of #tomsrtbt and @w84death 's #Floppinux and tries to make it something that is useable and can be extended to arbitrary complexity if one desires to...
It's about making a tiny #Linux distro that is #reproduceable and #auditable...
It won't replace @ubuntu or any other big distro, likely it won't even replace #mkroot from #toybox but it should be a clean and level foundation for small #IoT and #EmbeddedSystems projects and products...
Something that is easy to build and customize and port to other platforms...
And we're open for contributions:
https://github.com/OS-1337/OS1337/blob/main/docu/ideas/architectures.tsv