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Jupiter Rowland
@padeluun ⁂ Ich meine kostenlos für die Nutzer.

Du kannst etwas haben, das das Potential hätte, Milliarden an Nutzern anzuwerben und zu beherbergen, und das die Daten der Nutzer nicht verkauft. Das kostet dann aber 20 € im Monat oder so, und das ist die Basismitgliedschaft, mit der man fast nix machen kann. Tja.

Du kannst etwas haben, das für die Nutzer kostenlos und datenschutzfreundlich ist. Das kann dann aber nicht von einem gewinnorientierten Unternehmen aufgezogen werden, das es bräuchte, um die Leute wirklich in Scharen anzulocken, geschweige denn von einer Gigacorporation, die die Mittel hätte, Serverfarmen für Milliarden Nutzer bereitzustellen.

Die dritte Option, für die Nutzer kostenlos und für Milliarden Menschen attraktiv, tja, das sind die Produkte von Meta Platforms, Inc.

Klar wäre ein Netzwerk aus hunderttausenden unabhängigen (streams)-Servern geil mit einem Backend, das von ein paar hundert professionellen Vollzeitentwicklern noch weiter poliert wurde und trotzdem unter der MIT-Lizenz verbleibt, und einem grafischen Frontend und freien, quelloffenen Apps für alle gängigen Mobilbetriebssysteme, in deren Design jeweils 20 Millionen geflossen sind. Aber wer soll das bezahlen?

CC: @nassy

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digitalcourage.socialpadeluun ⁂ (@padeluun@digitalcourage.social)30.3K Posts, 577 Following, 7.01K Followers · Ich bin, also denke ich.
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Jupiter Rowland
@Ben Pate 🤘🏻
What if moving a server looked like this:

1. sign up for new account
2. authenticate old account (OAuth, whatever)
3. click "migrate"
4. click "yes really"
5. celebrate

If this were possible, then a whole lot of people could become "server admins" without being IT nerds.

Reality on Hubzilla for longer than Mastodon, as well as on (streams) and Forte:

  1. Register a new account.
  2. Optionally: Wait for it to be manually activated by the admin.
  3. Be asked to create a channel (= the actual identity with posts and contacts and files and stuff; your account is not your identity).
  4. Choose the option to move an existing channel.
  5. Enter the URL of the existing channel.
  6. Enter the password of the account on which the existing channel is located.
  7. Confirm
  8. A clone of the channel is created on the new server.
  9. The data of the existing channel is mirrored to the clone.
  10. The clone is promoted to main instance of the channel; the already existing instance of the channel is demoted to clone.
  11. The ID of your channel is changed accordingly.
  12. All nomadic contacts (= on Hubzilla, (streams) or Forte) are automatically changed to the new ID.
  13. (streams) and Forte only: All non-nomadic contacts receive a new connection request.
  14. The former-main-instance-and-now-clone is deleted because you chose to move rather than clone.
  15. If there are no other channels on the account on the old server, the whole account is deleted because accounts cannot exist with no channels on them.

The only two differences between cloning and moving are that cloning leaves your main instance intact instead of deleting it, and it leaves it as your main instance by default rather than making the new clone your main instance.

It works for Discord, why not the Fediverse?

It's a common misconception, probably even by FLOSS devs, that "server" on Discord that a handful of clicks on the Web interface inserts a new 19" rack iron into a rack inside some data centre with a LAMP stack and an installation of the Discord server backend on it and makes you the tech admin. Or something like that.

This is far from the truth. Discord has integrated the word "server" into its newspeak. On Discord, "server" means "chat room". A chat room on the same centralised, corporate-owned, commercially-operated server farm as all the other "servers".

At the same time, Generation Z and newer think that this is what "server" always means because they've never come into contact with TeamSpeak and never experienced LAN parties.

Administrating a Fediverse server, on the other hand, does equal administrating a LAMP stack on the command line, full stop.

I sincerely hope that the day won't come when someone does with e.g. Mastodon what the Outworldz DreamGrid did with OpenSimulator: turn a full server stack into an "easy-peasy", fully-preconfigured, Windows-only point-and-click application that anyone can install on their Windows machines with absolutely zero prior knowledge about servers or networks, that even automatically connects to a dynamic DNS service that was created specifically for this application so you don't even need to know anything about domains, and that can only be handled through the built-in Windows GUI. (Mind you, there are people who are actually asking for exactly this, only not for Windows, but for their iPhones. Food for thought.)

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Jupiter Rowland
@Ben Pate 🤘🏻
I've looked through FEP-ef61 in the past, and will give it another go. I think I struggled to see how this would be compatible with Mastodon, or other servers without them requiring a pretty big rewrite to support portable objects.

It won't. Especially not with Mastodon.

At the very least, they would have to start to understand portable objects and the concept of nomadic identity, e.g. that jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu and jupiter_rowland@hub.hubzilla.de may be on two different accounts, but the exact same channel with the exact same identity, the exact same connections, the exact same content etc.

Mastodon has been flipping the bird both at the ActivityPub standard and at FEPs and at the whole rest of the Fediverse since it was made. Eugen Rochko has been trying to EEE the Fediverse since he created Mastodon, the very same thing that people on Mastodon feared that Threads would do. The only time he ever makes compromises is when he is put under pressure by even more powerful players like Automattic or Flipboard, and even then he only throws them tiny bones.

As @Mike Macgirvin ?️ gradually built his nomadic and ActivityPub-based Forte from his own nomadic and Nomad-based streams repository (itself a Hubzilla descendant), and as @silverpill started making his non-nomadic and ActivityPub-based Mitra nomadic, their goal was to expand ActivityPub into something that supports nomadic identity via FEPs and, at the same time, make their own software compatible to these FEPs.

Their goal was not to make their software and these FEPs fully compatible with the Fediverse as it was in 2023/2024 and especially not to build them against Mastodon as it was in 2023/2024 or as it is now.

Especially Mike would never build anything explicitly against Mastodon. Rather, he'd make it possible to block Mastodon from an entire (streams) or Forte server, and he did. To Mike, Mastodon is not the heart and the core and the centre of the Fediverse around everything else orbits and justifiedly so. He rather sees it as a nuisance.

Seriously, nothing that Mike has created will ever be fully compatible with Mastodon, not as long as Mastodon's politics don't change greatly. I mean, client-side support for Mike's own OpenWebAuth magic sign-on was proposed for Mastodon. It went as far as an actual merge request in 2023. They core devs never even looked at that merge request, much less merged it. They silently rejected it.

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Jupiter Rowland
@Anuj Ahooja This makes me wonder if a decentralised, anyone-can-host-it third-party bridge that's only a bridge would be feasible.

Of course, it'd be the easiest to integrate such a bridge directly into Fediverse server software. But we've only got so many multi-protocol Fediverse server applications right now already, and the only one that's still occasionally adding new protocols or even a bridge is Friendica. It is therefore the only Fediverse server software that can connect to Bluesky without Bridgy Fed.

CC: @A New Social

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Jupiter Rowland
@Karen E. Lund 💙💛 Would you lose points for very long alt-texts/image descriptions?

I tend to describe my original images in extremely high details. Recently (for any definition of "recently" because I haven't posted a single image in over a year due to the huge effort of describing them), my alt-texts tend to reach 1,500 characters or one or a few below that. At least ca. 900 characters are actual image descriptions, sometimes up to ca. 1,400.

And that's what I consider a "short" description. Because the rest of the alt-text explains where to find the "long" description. It's in the post itself. It includes verbatim transcripts of every last bit of text anywhere within the borders of the image, readable or not. And it includes all explanations which I deem necessary for everyone to understand my images.

This long description exceeds any known arbitrarily defined character limit anywhere in the Fediverse by magnitudes. I can post such long image descriptions because the only character limit I have here on Hubzilla is the maximum size of the database field for the post text.

Yes, you've read that right. I describe each one of my original images twice.

And I must write my image descriptions that long. I don't post real-life photos, nor do I post social media screen shots. I post renderings from extremely obscure 3-D virtual worlds. Maybe one in 200,000 Fediverse users has even only heard of the technology that drives them.

Thus, I cannot assume anything in my images to be familiar to anyone out there. I can't assume that anyone out there knows what anything in my images looks like, also because my images tend to contain things which simply do not exist in real life in any shape or form.

At the same time, my impression is that especially Mastodon users expect all information which they don't have to be served on a silver platter immediately with the image description. If you mention something in your image, and somebody doesn't know what it looks like, you're obliged to describe it right away. Expecting anyone to ask you anything about your image after the fact feels like being considered ableist. I mean, you could just as well expect people to ask you to describe the whole image in the first place, right?

Same goes for explanations. Given the choice between looking stuff up themselves, being given links where they can look stuff up and being explained everything right there, right then, Mastodon users appear to greatly prefer the latter and only consider the latter really accessible.

And I have to explain a lot. When I tell you where I've taken an image, this alone takes me more characters than some of you use for a whole day's worth of alt-texts. The whole topic is so obscure that I have to explain explanations of explanations.

My personal record (warning: technically outdated image descriptions): 1,500 characters of alt-text, 1,400+ of which are image description; 60,000+ characters of long description for one image. That's about 10,000 words. It took me two full days, morning to evening, to research for and write the image descriptions. It takes a screen reader about three hours to read the long description out loud. But someone somewhere out there might be interested in all this information and displeased if they had to ask me about it to get it.

As for bilinguality, I should add to my WIP wiki on image descriptions and alt-texts that an alt-text must never include more than one image because screen readers cannot switch between languages mid-alt-text.

What I do, and I'm not even sure if that's such a good idea, is transcribe text in images that is not in English verbatim, literally letter by letter, and then translate it into English as closely as possible. I'm torn between a verbatim transcript which a screen reader cannot read out correctly and only giving a translation which would not be a verbatim transcript.

In fact, I've once had a situation in which I had to transcribe a sign in English, (broken) German and French. So I gave
  • a 100% verbatim transcript of the English text
  • a 100% verbatim transcript of the German text, all mistakes included
  • an English translation of the German text that's as close to the original as possible
  • a 100% verbatim transcript of the French text
  • an English translation of the German text that's as close to the original as possible

Nowadays, I'd simply avoid posting images with non-English text anywhere in it like the plague.

CC: @Kim Possible :kimoji_fire: @Jayne

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MastodonKaren E. Lund 💙💛 (@Karen5Lund@mastodon.social)10.2K Posts, 1.75K Following, 688 Followers · My posts may be shared to other Mastodon and PixelFed instances. I DO NOT CONSENT TO SHARING OR COPYING TO NOSTR, MOSTR, THREADS OR ANY OTHER PLATFORM. Pedestrian advocate. I enjoy walking, especially in parks. Newsletter author on environment, history, infrastructure. I have an IQ in the triple digits & am not afraid to use it. If you are a writer of any kind you might prefer to follow me at https://writing.exchange/web/@Karen5Lund. #TwitterQuitter. Pronouns: She/her, Ꝥey/Ꝥem, Yes, ma'am.
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Jupiter Rowland
@Eli Wallach's favorite Bass Important: Don't use alt-text to write around your character limit!

That's because not everyone can access alt-text. And those who can't can never read the extra stuff you've put into your alt-text. It's lost to them.

If you need more than 500 characters, you should instead
  • move to a Mastodon server with a higher character limit
  • move to Misskey
    3,000 characters (hard-coded)
    fully federated with Mastodon
  • move to a Misskey fork like Sharkey
    thousands of characters (configurable by admin without hacking into the source code)
    fully federated with Mastodon
  • move to Pleroma or Akkoma
    5,000 characters (configurable by admin without hacking into the source code)
    fully federated with Mastodon
  • move to Friendica
    16,777,215 characters (database field size)
    fully federated with Mastodon
  • move to Hubzilla
    16,777,215 characters (database field size)
    optionally fully federated with Mastodon
  • move to (streams) or Forte
    > 24,000,000 characters (database field size)
    fully federated with Mastodon

CC: @Jayne

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Jupiter Rowland
@Jayne
Alt text for calling out the relevant details you mistakenly assume are obvious to everyone
Alt text for explaining the joke to people that don't have the same background as you
Alt text for the 10,000 people learning something "everyone knows" for the first time today

Something that next to nobody knows:

You must never make information available only in the alt-text!

Not everyone can access alt-text. To access alt-text, it requires either a screen reader (which sighted people don't have) or at least one working hand.

If you have something to explain or any other information that is not available in/obvious from the image itself, this information goes into the post where everyone can access it.

Here are two articles in my (very early WIP) wiki on image descriptions and alt-text:

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Jupiter Rowland
@Shiri Bailem That may be it.

So I stand corrected: If you do use a title, and you haven't changed that part of the configuration of your account, then Mastodon will not show the title, but it will show the abstract and a link to your original Friendica post.

If you don't use a title, Mastodon will show your post itself. But it may "sanitise" as in deface it, e.g. only four images and only as file attachments instead of way more images strewn about your post. It will use your abstract as a CW. And Mastodon fundamentalists may mute or block or criticise or attack or dogpile you for having the audacity to send "long" posts with over 500 characters to Mastodon.

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@silverpill Who are the longformers anyway?

They're those who either are commercial or looking for professional/commercial users or both. Flipboard. Automattic (WordPress). Ghost. These kinds.

They know themselves. They know each other. And they know Mastodon. And that's it.

None of them has ever heard of Pleroma or Akkoma.

None of them has ever heard of Misskey or the Forkeys.

None of them has ever heard of Mitra.

None of them has ever heard of GoToSocial.

None of them has ever heard of Hollo.

None of them has ever heard of Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) or Forte, even though Friendica and Hubzilla are both older than Mastodon. And apparently, neither has @Helge. But then again, Friendica and its nomadic, security-enhanced descendants are being overlooked by almost everyone. That's why there's always on-going work for features to be "introduced to the Fediverse" which Friendica has had for a decade and a half.

Granted, the HTML support on Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte can be summarised with "yes". But elaborate tables that show what either of them supports how would be very useful.

Also, granted, everything I've mentioned above (normally) uses something else than HTML for formatting in the frontend. For example, Misskey and all Forkeys use MFM ("Misskey-Flavoured Markdown"). Friendica uses extended BBcode with the option to use Markdown instead. Hubzilla uses even more extended BBcode. (streams) and Forte can use the same even more extended BBcode and Markdown and HTML at the same time within the same post, although not all markup languages support all features.

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Jupiter Rowland
@Holocluck Henly I know quite a few avatars that seem not to have changed much since they first showed up, and that was before mesh became a thing.

In at least one case, this goes all the way to classic, non-attachment "hair". That's probably because it has never been possible to recreate that individual look with a hair attachment, much less with a mesh body, a mesh head and mesh hair. The owner was the main tech in Metropolis before he left the sinking ship for OSgrid. That was around 2021, and yet, he styled his OSgrid avatar just like his Metro avatar.

In at least one more case, the hair is only a hairbase, and the avatar has never worn any attachments AFAIK. The owner seems to strongly oppose the idea of styling avatars, at least he doesn't understand why people do that, and I think he has only got that one avatar.

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Jupiter Rowland
@Tim Chambers There isn't much that we can do.

These standards, just like the various laws that triggered their creation, suppose that all social networks and social media are
  • commercial and corporate with loads of money behind them
  • centralised silos
  • staffed with thousands upon thousands upon thousands of employees in office blocks all around the world

For comparison, Hubzilla probably shows what's the best the Fediverse can do. It has an optional field for new registrations to confirm that they're over a certain age.

However, almost all Hubzilla hubs have a "staff" of exactly one. A hobbyist. Unlike Mastodon servers, Hubzilla hubs don't even have moderators because Hubzilla is all about self-empowerment and self-moderation.

Is that one admin honestly expected to verify the authenticity of the IDs and the birth certificates of newly-registrated users with the authorities in almost 200 different nations?

There used to be a time when such regulations only applied to services from a certain size upward or from a certain revenue upward. But now something that can only be done by big corporations becomes mandatory for tiny hobbyist projects.

Besides, how are these measures supposed to keep 13-year-olds from spinning up their own single-user Fediverse servers on machines at home? If this is supposed to be absolutely, 100% guaranteed to be absolutely, 100% water-tight, the two Hubzilla devs would have to check and verify the identity of everyone who wants set up their own hub before they allow the git-based installer to clone the repository from Framagit onto their servers.

CC: @IEEE Spectrum

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Jupiter Rowland
@Comrade Ferret It's one of the very ideas behind Hubzilla to empower its users to moderate their streams themselves. It has been for over a decade. And it's the same on Hubzilla's descendants.

Mastodon gives you "Mute", "Block" and "Call a mod". Hubzilla gives you shit-tons more control over your own stream than even Friendica.

You can use the optional per-contact filters to keep certain contacts from sending you certain stuff, based on keywords. You can use permission controls to keep certain contacts from sending you any posts while still letting them send you comments and DMs. Or you can use permission controls to keep them from sending you posts and DMs. And so forth.

So instead of wondering from the point of view of an admin who has never even used Hubzilla why Hubzilla is the way it is, I recommend you to daily-drive Hubzilla for at least half a year and join the @Hubzilla Support Forum. This will really show how Hubzilla is pretty much the exact opposite of Mastodon in the Fediverse. Keep registrations closed on your hub until you've really grokked Hubzilla.

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Jupiter Rowland
@Montag Wichtig übrigens: "Quote" und "Quote-Post" sind zwei völlig verschiedene Dinge. Die darf man nicht miteinander verwechseln.



Quotes sind Zitate. Also das hier:

das heißt, auf Mastodon sieht man einen Quote nur wenn der zitierte expliziet zustimmt, während der Quote auf allen anderen Fediverse Plattformen ganz normal angezeigt wird?


Um die geht es hier aber nicht. Mastodon-Nutzer kennen nämlich keine Quotes, keine Zitate.

Mastodon-Nutzer kennen ja im allgemeinen nur Twitter und Mastodon. Twitter hat keine Zitate. Mastodon auch nicht; es kann sie zwar anzeigen und seit Mastodon 4.0 (Oktober 2022) auch sauber, aber es kann sie nicht erzeugen. Und deswegen kennen Mastodon-Nutzer das gar nicht.



Quote-Posts, um die es hier geht, sind dagegen komplette Posts, die in andere Posts reingebaut sind. Das ist das, was auf Friendica "Quoted Share" heißt. Also das hier:

Montag schrieb den folgenden Beitrag Sat, 19 Jul 2025 23:08:45 +0200 @Matthias das heißt, auf Mastodon sieht man einen Quote nur wenn der zitierte expliziet zustimmt, während der Quote auf allen anderen Fediverse Plattformen ganz normal angezeigt wird? Das ist grober Unfug und ergibt überhaupt keinen Sinn, was haben sich die Mastodon Entwickler dabei gedacht?

Auf Twitter heißt das "Quote-Tweet". Oder im Deutschen auch "Drüko" ("Drüber-Kommentar"; erst der Kommentar zum Tweet, dann der eingebettete Tweet) oder "Druko" ("Drunter-Kommentar"; erst der eingebettete Tweet, dann der Kommentar zum Tweet). Auf Mastodon wird auch "Quote-Toot" oder "Quote-Tröt" gesagt.

Auf Friendica und Nachfolgern war das früher die einzige Möglichkeit überhaupt, einen Post weiterzuleiten. So etwas wie Retweets (Mastodon: "Boosts", Friendica: "Shares", Hubzilla/(streams)/Forte: "Repeats") wurde erst später nach und nach eingeführt.

Auf Twitter ist dagegen in der Praxis das einzige Einsatzgebiet dieses Feature, über anderer Leute Tweets herzuziehen und diese anderen Leute auf dem Wege niederzumachen. Für was anderes werden Quote-Tweets da buchstäblich nicht benutzt.

Und so ist es für Mastodon-Nutzer komplett unvorstellbar, daß irgendjemand irgendwo dieses Feature für was anderes nutzen könnte.

Viele sind ja von Twitter nach Mastodon auch deswegen abgehauen, weil Mastodon eben keine Quote-Posts hat. Weil sie glaubten, da vor Quote-Posts sicher zu sein.

Als Mastodon dann ankündigte, Quote-Posts einzuführen, haben ganz besonders Angehörige unterdrückter Minderheiten (Farbige, Schwule, Lesben, Transpersonen usw.) lautstark dagegen protestiert.

Noch einmal: Niemand von denen wußte und weiß bis heute, daß es im Fediverse schon lange Quote-Posts gab und jeder Mastodon-Tröt jederzeit ungehindert außerhalb Mastodon und dann nach Mastodon rein quote-post-bar ist.

Genau deshalb kommt Mastodon mit diesem "Feigenblatt" davon: Dieser Schalter wiegt die Mastodon in Sicherheit. In einer Sicherheit, die sie nie hatten, was aber annähernd niemand auf Mastodon weiß.

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friendica.xyzMatthiasEigentlich war allen klar, dass die Quote Post Umsetzung auf Mastodon nur ein Blendwerk ist. Sie wiegelt euch in einer Sicherheit, die es nicht gibt. Der Gru...
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Jupiter Rowland
@AndyGER :verified_coffee: Wenn du darauf bestehst, daß das ganze Fediverse ohne Ausnahme bis in die hinterletzten Winkel sofort und uneingeschränkt auch für total Technikferne intuitiv nutzbar sein soll, dann wird das Fediverse an sich ganze Features verlieren müssen, weil Nichtnerds sie nicht bedienen können werden.

Dann wirst du z. B. den Nutzern von Hubzilla, (streams) und Forte ihre nomadische Identität und ihr gesamtes Berechtigungsmanagement wegnehmen müssen, weil das einfach nicht auf dem Niveau von WhatsApp bedienbar sein wird. Dann wird das Fediverse an sich aber auch weniger sicher sein, weil seine sichersten Bereiche ihre gesamte Sicherheit eingebüßt haben.

Ich bin schon mehr als doppelt so lange im Fediverse ist wie du und schon länger auf Hubzilla als du im Fediverse. Und ich kann nur sagen: Ich bin strikt dagegen, daß mir auf Hubzilla ganze Features weggenommen werden, nur damit Hubzilla für Technikferne leichter zu bedienen ist. Und ich glaube, ich spreche für alle Hubzilla-Nutzer.

Das ist ungefähr so, wie wenn man von Gentoo fordern würde, entweder wie Linux Mint oder gleich wie Windows zu werden oder den Laden komplett dichtzumachen. Gentoo-Nutzer nutzen Gentoo, gerade eben weil es so ist, wie es ist.

Manche Dinge im Fediverse sind einfach, wie sie sind, weil sie so vorgesehen und so konzipiert sind, weil das deren Konzept ist. Die sind anders als Mastodon. Die sind sehr anders als Mastodon. Die sind eher für Nerds, die bereit sind, sich mit der Technik auseinanderzusetzen, die diese Technik aber auch brauchen. Nicht alles muß immer für dieselbe Zielgruppe geeignet sein; wenn es das wäre, würde man ganze andere Zielgruppen ausschließen.

Das heißt, wenn du etwas suchen solltest, das an sich wie Friendica ist, aber moderner, flinker und weniger fehleranfällig, kannst du dir vielleicht doch mal (streams) angucken, und zwar bei @Der Pepe (nomád) ⁂ ⚝ (alias @Der Pepe (Hubzilla) ⁂ ⚝) auf https://nomad.fedi-verse.hu. Momentan müssen aber Neuregistrierungen wegen einer Botflut angefragt werden. Außerdem ist es noch komplexer als Friendica, du wirst dich auch da erst einrichten müssen, auch weil du standardmäßig nicht öffentlich posten wirst (ist da übrigens ausdrücklich ein Feature), WYSIWYG gibt's auch da nicht (selbst Formatierungsbuttons müssen "installiert" werden), und die Oberfläche sieht auch weder aus wie eine Smartphone-App von 2025 noch wie Facebook 2025.

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@AndyGER :verified_coffee: Was sind deine Anforderungen an Friendica? "Mastodon, aber mehr Zeichen und mehr Bilder, aber ansonsten bitteschön Mastodon?"

Friendica ist eben konzeptionell, wie es ist. Und das trifft auf den ganzen Rest der Familie ebenso zu: Hubzilla, (streams), Forte. Dazu gehört eben auch vollwertige Blogging-Tauglichkeit, also nicht nur Mikroblogging wie Mastodon, sondern das volle Programm wie WordPress. Und da ist es gang und gäbe, Posts direkt mit Markup-Code zu formatieren.

Da kann man noch so auf den Tisch hauen und fordern, daß das gefälligst alles WYSIWYG zu sein hat, daß der ganze Formatierungs-Hokuspokus gefälligst im Hintergrund abzulaufen hat, und daß das gefälligst hartgecodet und nicht abstellbar zu sein hat! Das passiert nicht.

Man kann auch noch so sehr fordern, daß Friendica & Co. sehr viel mehr wie Mastodon werden, z. B. daß man Bilder nur als Dateien an Posts anhängen können soll, weil es doch viel zu kompliziert ist, sie mitten in Posts einzubetten. Das wird auch nicht passieren.

Okay, dir gefällt das Ganze dann eben konzeptionell nicht. Es gibt aber Leute, für die das so, wie es ist, optimal ist.

Wenn du dann aber auf die Idee kommst, Friendica & Co. gänzlich die Existenzberechtigung abzusprechen, dann mußt du dich nicht wundern, wenn du Gegenwind kriegst.

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@Klappspatack Ohne jetzt irgendwas davon selbst getestet zu haben, würde ich ein zweigleisiges Vorgehen empfehlen.

Zum einen Twitter auf Koks: Sharkey. Sollte verspielt genug für junge Leute sein. App dazu, falls nötig: Aria.

Zum anderen für Diskussionen in Gruppen: Mbin oder PieFed. App dazu, falls nötig: Interstellar (nur für Android).

Pixelfed ist eher für Künstler und nicht der 1:1-Drop-in-Instagram-Klon, als das es gern hingestellt wird. Loops ist unfertig und immer noch nicht dezentralisiert. Und Friendica, sorry, ist noch altbackener als Mastodon, auch wenn es zu den mächtigsten Sachen im Fediverse gehört. Außerdem treibt sich auch auf Facebook, wofür Friendica eine Alternative sein will, kaum einer rum, der jünger ist als die ersten zwei Millennial-Jahrgänge.

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@Alex Feinman @Nora Reed Alt-text must never include explanations! Explanations must always go into the post itself!

Not everyone can access alt-text. Sighted people need a mouse/trackball/touchpad/trackpoint or a touch screen to access alt-text. And in order to operate that, they need at least one working hand. But not everyone has working hands. Just like not everyone can see, which is why you describe your images in the first place, right?

For those who can't access alt-text, any information only available in alt-text and neither in the post text nor in the image itself is inaccessible and lost. They can't open it, they can't read it.

Here are three relevant pages in my (very early WIP) wiki about image descriptions and alt-text:

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@Tim Chambers And again, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte are way ahead. They were all made modular right from the start, and they can all be expanded with third-party add-ons and third-party themes (provided someone makes them) by adding third-party git repositories to your server. It helps that they themselves are all installed via git in the first place.

For example, it's possible to add entirely new protocols as add-ons. On Hubzilla, protocols that aren't Zot (ActivityPub, diaspora*, RSS/Atom etc.) are add-ons and off by default for new channels. Hubzilla's counterpart to Mastodon's lists, only vastly more powerful, is called "privacy groups" and an official add-on that's off by default again. CalDAV calendar server? Wikis? Webpages? All add-ons. (streams) and Forte have a somewhat different set of add-ons and a different set of add-ons that are on or off by default for new channels.

You can bolt all kinds of stuff to these four as third-party add-ons. Want a dating platform in the Fediverse? Just write an add-on for one or several of these four that ties into their (main, public) profiles with their dozens of fields, and you've got one.

Better yet: You can upgrade the whole server, the core, the official add-ons, the official themes, third-party add-ons, third-party themes, in one fell swoop. Not first the official stuff and then each third-party repo one by one, but all at once. At least on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte, util/udall is the little helper that does it all for you.

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