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@OpenComputeDesign @s31bz @light @admitsWrongIfProven

good feedback! i think #furiphone has support for #android apps (#waydroid iirc?) and back in the day so did #jolla / #sailfish - i think you can get those on a #sony these days

also i've run android-x86 in vm and its alright but idk what those apps are gonna try. supposedly only finance apps are allowed by google to check for a rooted phone but ... who knows peabee.substack.com/p/everyone

peabee.substack.comEveryone knows all the apps on your phoneUntil a few years ago, any app you installed on an Android device could see all other apps on your phone without your permission.

Really finding the Jolla C2 a tricky beast to use day to day, lots of hanging and frozen native apps, camera locking up the moment you open it. The Android apps are a little better but still unreliable. Banking app for the Nationwide in the UK does work!

Shame as they are pushing it as a daily driver now and I have to say its not, other than for phone calls and sms.

So I guess some would argue it is meeting the basic needs of a phone but no a smartphone.

Will keep at it.....
#jolla #jollac2

Life with Sailfish OS, day 1, hour 2-4

Couple of important apps still missing: Signal and Discord

Discord: the proprietary chat platform with off-putting terms of services. It's not a great starting point. The reason I'm there to begin with is following Synthstrom Deluge and C64 OS development, those communities unfortunately only really exist in Discord. Discord has a web interface that works okay on desktop Firefox, but it's a no-go on a mobile browser. The Android client is this elephant class Electron app, and not something you want on top of a heavy compatibility layer on a lower end phone if you can avoid it. Plus, getting away from Android was kind of on the agenda. There's a native app called Sailcord in the Jolla store, the gotcha is that using 3rd party software for accessing Discord isn't something their terms of service exactly encourages. Apparently people have gotten banned from their Discord accounts for using such things. But, these clients wouldn't exist if everybody was getting banned, and OTOH people get banned for doing stupid things with the official client. So I guess it's fingers crossed and don't do anything stupid.

For Signal, there's an unnoficial native client called Whisperfish. Unfortunately this is not available from the Jolla store, instead it takes you down a bit of a rabbit hole: Release builds are available on OpenRepos, but to access that you need a client. Which is not available from the Jolla store either. To install, you need to download a storeman-installer package from either OpenRepos itself or their GitHub release page.

The package is an RPM package which does some rather questionable looking things in its installation scriptlets. What it appears to do is add OpenRepos to the system repository configuration and then automatically run the installer contained in the package, which turns out to be another shell-script that then refreshes the PackageKit installation service, and finally tries to install the actual Storeman software through PackageKit. I don't know the Sailfish OS ecosystem sufficiently (at all really, at this point) to judge whether all this hackery is truly necessary, just that in the desktop Linux world, that is a whole bingo line of "don't do that".

Also, the installer package is not signed. Apparently nothing on OpenRepos is. There doesn't even seem to be checksums that could be manually verified. I'm not letting an unverifiable software from the net run as root funky looking shell-scripts on a device with my banking app on it. Just no.

The whisperfish package itself seems okay, it just does a systemd user session reload in the scriptlets and doesn't run as root. It's just as unverifiable though, but maybe the repository is signed? Need to investigate that.

Signatures appear to be overlooked in this ecosystem: the official Jolla packages on the system are signed, but neither of the two Jolla keys imported in the rpm keyring actually match that. And community packages from the Jolla store don't appear to be signed at all. This is like going back to the nineties.

So that's about two hours gone and I still don't have a Signal app. I could of course go with the official Signal app, but that requires the heavy Android compatibility layer running and besides, Android.

Life with Sailfish OS, day 1, hour 1

Having gotten my banking app to run on Sailfish by downgrading to a slightly older version, starting an experiment to use Jolla C2 as a daily driver. I've spent a few evenings tinkering with this, hunting, installing and configuring necessary apps etc. What follows is random observations from the first hour after swapping the SIM over from my real daily driver (Nokia XR20) and letting the reality sink in:

Obligatory disclaimer: this is not the intended use of the C2 phone - it's a "reference phone", aimed at developers. So we need to give the hardware a break. But, as an observation, the protective cover doesn't sit properly on the button side, making the use of the main lock/unlock button annoying. It looks and feels like an ill-fitting condom, really. I might end up ditching the cover, this is not a phone I would take to the garage anyhow.

There are zero swipe options or actions for the keyboard. In fact there are zero options for configuring the keyboard at all. What I immediately miss are two things:
- moving the cursor by swiping over space bar
- number row on the keyboard, I prefer it always there
The latter is one of those tiny details that make up ones preferences, I expect to be in the minority wrt this. The former is going to be painful.

The default search engine in the Sailfish OS native browser is Google.

Let that sink in for a moment.

This is by far the biggest WTF so far, a slap in the face, really. For a phone whose raison d'etre is to be NOT FROM GOOGLE, and advertised with a privacy edge, this is a pretty terrible blunder. The default alternative search engines are just as bad, and there's no obvious way to install or configure alternatives from the browser.

Another dive into forum.sailfishos.org reveals that once you visit a search engine (such as www.quant.com), it magically appears in the search engine preferences. Which is kinda neat, but totally undiscoverable for the new user.

#jolla #sailfishos

Edit: post language to English

@elbekai

Ich bezweifle, dass das der Grund ist. Viele der meistgenutzten Apps sind sowieso kostenlos und auf einer so unbekannten Plattform stehen die Chancen die Kosten für die Entwicklung einer App wieder einzuspielen nicht wirklich gut.

Hätte #Jolla ein Budget wie es Google oder Apple haben, könnten sie daran mit PR-Maßnahmen etwas ändern, aber mit kostenpflichtigen Apps Bekanntheit generieren dürfte illusorisch sein.

@MrGR

Uteliaisuuttani vaihdoin tyttäreni hylkäämään puhelimeen käyttöjärjestelmäksi supisuomalaisen Jollan. Ihan heittämällä ei mennyt ja käyttölogiikassa moni juttu menee toisin kuin Androidissa, joten vähän täytyy totutella. Tässä on visuaalisesti jotain samaa kuin Windows Phonessa - mutta hyvässä mielessä.

Periaatteessa amerikkalainen Android olisi siis näin korvattavissa kotimaisella vaihtoehdolla. Android-softat myöskin toimivat.

Posting from my new Jolla C2, just for the heck of it: there's even a native Mastodon client for SailfishOs.

Some sacrifices and lots of getting used to required, but if I can get the banking app to work, I think I could live with this as a daily driver.

(I know about microg but so far, no go. Need to dig into it some other day. Google-freedom is quite the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow)