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Sally Strange

"Decoupling"? It's possible but extremely unlikely (authors being politic here); "the post-growth field suggests taking a precautionary approach, given the historical record and the rapid narrowing of the window to prevent ecological breakdown. Post-growth, it should be emphasised, does not state that decoupling economic activity from emissions and getting to net zero emissions is impossible, just that it is made harder by economic growth. For energy and material use, which can only be reduced and never brought to zero, the necessary reductions are easier to achieve with post-growth."

#DeGrowth #PostGrowth #Decoupling

thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/

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kali

so energy and the economy are intrinsically linked, and so are, currently, CO2 emissions.

when the economy grows so do emissions. when the economy is doing badly emissions plateau or even decline.

that is why we are talking about "#decoupling" GDP from emissions by using low-emission technology.

some people say there is a problem with this line of thinking, which i'll explain in a second.

#limitstogrowth
#overshoot
#climatechange
#collapse
#collapseology
#sustainability
#resilience

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Strypey

Green growth theory posits that we can decouple growth of the real economy - the one that provides goods and services that can lift our standard of living - from growth of energy use, pollution etc. I don't if that's true. But as I pointed out yesterday, financialisation has been pretty good at...

> Decoupling on-paper economic growth from anything that actually lift's our standard or living

So who knows?

#GreenGrowth#decoupling#financialisation
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Sally Strange

Can economic growth be decoupled from emissions? Yes, for sure, easily even.

Can economic growth be decoupled from environmental degradation in general? Absolutely not. The sheer throughput of materials through the economy, from extraction to waste disposal, must decrease. If we address GHG emissions in isolation from topsoil and biodiversity loss, we will fail to preserve the ecosystems on which we depend for life.

#Degrowth #DegrowthCommunism #capitalism #decoupling #Climate #ClimateCrisis #ClimateChange #biodiversity #economics

aeon.co/essays/how-to-think-ab

AeonHow to think about the prospects of truly green growth | Aeon EssaysWe need to find a way for human societies to prosper while the planet heals. So far we can’t even think clearly about it
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HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴

@GreenFire

#USpol #GeoPol #Security #China

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When you watch this excellent installment of #60Minutes, it becomes clear that #Xi is ploughing ahead (though unoficially) with "#decoupling" from the West, from the #US above all.

This will hurt #US farmers greatly, as #China is (one of) their most important export market for #agriculture products.
Even the seasoned #US embassador to the #PRC did not foresee this move.

#Xi is excellent in...

youtu.be/TdMAVm_z5eI

YouTubeThe U.S.-China rivalry, Taiwan and Hong Kong | 60 Minutes Full EpisodesBy 60 Minutes
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ZNet (unofficial)

For nearly 200 years, economic #growth and #CarbonEmissions have been closely linked. Mainstream economists advocate for #decoupling, but is that possible?

While some evidence supports decoupling, it's not happening fast enough to meet climate targets.

Alternative proposals include reorienting economies towards human well-being and ecological sustainability, transitioning away from GDP-centric metrics and economic structures.

#climatechange #economy #degrowth
znetwork.org/znetarticle/how-t

ZNetworkHow To ‘Decouple’ Emissions From Economic Growth? These Economists Say You Can’t.For nearly 200 years, two transformative global forces have grown in tandem: economic activity and carbon emissions. The two have long been paired
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Jack of all trades

Behind every story about how #renewables are solving the #ClimateCrisis is the underlying assumption that the global #capitalist system is fine, and all we need to change is our energy system. I think this is wrong.

#Climate optimism is dangerous: mas.to/@jackofalltrades/110745

#GreenGrowth and #decoupling are a lie: mas.to/@jackofalltrades/111073

#EnergyTransition is not happening: mas.to/@jackofalltrades/111244

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mas.toJack of all trades (@jackofalltrades@mas.to)Attached: 2 images “Climate Optimism” Is Dangerous and Irrational https://www.currentaffairs.org/2023/07/climate-optimism-is-dangerous-and-irrational #ClimateChange #economics #inequality #colonialism #capitalism
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geographile

In 》this《 context, I'm more appreciative of degrowth than what they say is decoupling.

"In this context, #degrowth is the proposal to intentionally shrink the physical size of wealthy economies, whereas #decoupling is the hope that growing economies will at last break free from growing #resource use and #environmental damage. The former renews #environmentalism as a #subversive political movement. The latter is firmly post-#environmentalist, often associated with support for #nuclear #energy, #industrial #agriculture, and artificial technologies. With my mentor #GiorgosKallis, we’ve spent three years working together on a critical analysis of this post-environmentalism that emanates from the Breakthrough Institute and their self-styled #ecomodernist friends."

undisciplinedenvironments.org/

Undisciplined Environments - the former entitled blog · Defending degrowth at ecomodernism’s homeby Sam Bliss In June, I was invited to speak at the eight annual Breakthrough Dialogue, an annual invite-only conference where accomplished thinkers debate how to achieve prosperity for humans and nature. The Breakthrough Institute, an ecomodernist think-tank, welcomed my presence as a provocateur. I was to participate in a panel called “Decoupling vs. Degrowth”. My role was the token “degrowther” making my case to a majority “decoupler” crowd. In this context, degrowth is the proposal to intentionally shrink the physical size of wealthy economies, whereas […]
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