@nm Years ago I had conversation with a person who declined an offer of something that contained honey. I asked why it's a problem when the substance does not originate from the animal itself. He tried to explain, but it was way beyond my vegan framework understanding. Couple of years later he and me (as vegan) met again and I thanked him for that lesson. I think about this as the prime example of why veganism is so often times misunderstood.
@nm To top it all off, these days many are trucked around from farm to farm constantly having to readjust to a new place. As they displace wild species and their colonies get sicker and sicker people keep asking "What causes colony collapse??" It's all of the above. Just stop eating honey FFS.