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N-gated Hacker News🐌 Wow, someone found a way to make their <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/localhost" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#localhost</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/setup" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#setup</a> even more convoluted! Now, instead of just typing "localhost:4333", you can go through the joyous process of configuring <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/launchd" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#launchd</a> daemons, editing /etc/hosts, and wrangling <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Caddy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Caddy</a> for that sweet appname.localhost experience. 🧙‍♂️ Truly the pinnacle of <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/productivity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#productivity</a> for when you have too much time and not enough friends. 🤦‍♂️ <a href="https://inclouds.space/localhost-domains" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://inclouds.space/localhost-domains</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/devlife" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#devlife</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/HackerNews" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#HackerNews</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/ngated" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ngated</a>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://chaosfem.tw/@freya" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@freya</a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/@BrodieOnLinux" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@BrodieOnLinux</a> makes sense, ofc.<ul><li>I like SystemD but for <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OS1337" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OS1337</a> had to stick with the classic <code>/etc/init</code> file for space reasons alone.</li></ul>Tho in fairness I'm shure <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SMF" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SMF</a> did inspire <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Apple" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Apple</a> to do <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LaunchD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LaunchD</a> which in turn was copied with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SystemD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SystemD</a>, abeit all 3 are very much centric about the Kernel and Userland they target.<ul><li>Reminds me of that legendary talk <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">"The Tragedy of SystemD"</a>…</li></ul>

Elias Probst<a href="https://mastodon.social/@rust_discussions" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@rust_discussions</a> in contrast to what the article claims, socket activation wasn't pioneered by Apple's <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/launchd" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#launchd</a>, but much earlier in 1986 by <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/inetd" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#inetd</a> as part of BSD 4.3.

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://social.illegalpornography.com/@BestGirlGrace" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@BestGirlGrace</a> yes, and they'll basically refuse to accept the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InconvenientTruth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#InconvenientTruth</a> that <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/systemd" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#systemd</a> is at worst a "<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/NecessaryEvil" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#NecessaryEvil</a>" because what came before it was way worse, competing solutions failed to get adopted and even mainline <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Unix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Unix</a> like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Solaris" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Solaris</a> (<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SMF" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SMF</a>) and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/macOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#macOS</a> (<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LaunchD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LaunchD</a> clearly is the inspiration for SystemD!) did the same...<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo</a><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TheTragedyOfSystemd" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#TheTragedyOfSystemd</a>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://infosec.exchange/@nuintari" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@nuintari</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/@pid_eins" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@pid_eins</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/@OS1337" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@OS1337</a> Again: I disagree as both <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SMF" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SMF</a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LaunchD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LaunchD</a> do more than just <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/init" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#init</a> amd like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/systemd" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#systemd</a> are a whole collection of utilities and not a single massive binary.In fact, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/journalctl" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#journalctl</a> is an evidently better way to debug issues and fix problems with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/services" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#services</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/daemons" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#daemons</a> than having to parse <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Syslog" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Syslog</a> through dozens of filters or spechalized tools.Similarly, if <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/gstreamer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#gstreamer</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ALSA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ALSA</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OSS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OSS</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PulseAudio" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#PulseAudio</a> weren't shitshows, we'd not see the need for <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PipeWire" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#PipeWire</a>!

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://infosec.exchange/@nuintari" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@nuintari</a> I disagree.<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SystemD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SystemD</a> is a "necessary evil" because what existed previously was bad for anything that isn't a "build once never change" server that never gets changed much... <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo</a><ul><li>Most <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/unix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#unix</a>-esque OSes already used something like it way before <a href="https://mastodon.social/@pid_eins" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@pid_eins</a> even did <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Linux</a>: Like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SMF" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SMF</a> on <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Solaris" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Solaris</a> and espechally <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LaunchD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LaunchD</a> which is basically what inspired systemd.</li></ul>The only reason I "cut" systemd from <a href="https://infosec.space/@OS1337" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@OS1337</a> as of now is because I can't make it - or the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GNUtils" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GNUtils</a> that preceded it - fit within the few hundred kB on a 1.440 kB FDD I can spare.Noone wants to go back to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SysVinit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SysVinit</a> when even the fastest systems took longer to boot that most peoole need to make a shitty coffee or dump ass on the toilet.<ul><li>Amd dumping SysVinit - just like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Linux</a> dumping <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/i386" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#i386</a> - is somewhat inevitable given the amount of work it took to keep it workable at all...</li></ul>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://mstdn.jp/@landley" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@landley</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/@pid_eins" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@pid_eins</a> Because if <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SysVinit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SysVinit</a> was good he'd likely not made systemd nor would any other <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Unix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Unix</a>-esque OS that isn't a tiny embedded distro that can handle just using an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/init" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#init</a> file use basically their primitive systemd-predecessor like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/launchD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#launchD</a> (<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/macOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#macOS</a>), & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SMF" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SMF</a> (<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Solaris" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Solaris</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/illumos" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#illumos</a>) instead... <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo</a>

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