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Tuxicoman<a href="https://social.zarchbox.fr/@KazukyAkayashi" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@KazukyAkayashi</a> je suis plutot utilisateur de <a href="https://social.jesuislibre.net/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#xmpp</a> donc <a href="https://social.jesuislibre.net/tags/conversations" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#conversations</a>.L'interface m'a parue plus compliquée. Trop d'options (genre la barre de navigation, les notes privées...)Pas d'explication sur l'intérêt de monter un serveur. Si j'ai bien compris, les messages font du routing par les serveurs de SimpleX même si on monte son serveur.Je comprends et j'adhère a l'architecture. Mais voila, je ne voudrais pas que ce soit plus complexe que <a href="https://social.jesuislibre.net/tags/quicksy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#quicksy</a>

F-DroidThis week in <a href="https://floss.social/tags/FDroid" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#FDroid</a> (TWIF) is live, a bit late:* <a href="https://floss.social/tags/reproducible" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#reproducible</a> status in website app details * <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Conversations_im" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Conversations_im</a> & <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Quicksy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Quicksy</a> fix bugs * Linwood Butterfly Adonis Blue * <a href="https://floss.social/tags/OSUOSL" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#OSUOSL</a> news * <a href="https://floss.social/tags/SECUSO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#SECUSO</a> updates many <a href="https://floss.social/tags/PrivacyFriendlyApps" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#PrivacyFriendlyApps</a> + 1 new app + 112 updatesCheck <a href="https://f-droid.org/2025/05/01/twif.html" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://f-droid.org/2025/05/01/twif.html</a>

Ravi DwivediBy the way, if you don't know what XMPP is. It is a messaging protocol. You can get started with <a href="https://toot.io/tags/Quicksy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Quicksy</a> or <a href="https://toot.io/tags/Prav" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Prav</a>.

Pirate Praveen<a href="https://lemmy.ml/u/vort3" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@vort3</a> <a href="https://toot.io/@ravi" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@ravi</a> more exactly Quicksy fork, so now people can choose between <a href="https://social.masto.host/tags/Quicksy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Quicksy</a> and <a href="https://social.masto.host/tags/Prav" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Prav</a>. The value addition over conversations is, this bindling of app, client and a directory makes joining <a href="https://social.masto.host/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#xmpp</a> easy for people who are used to apps that only needs your phone number.

Debacle<a href="https://chaos.social/@bitsoffreedom" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@bitsoffreedom</a> Signal as an easy-to-use and probably more secure WA replacement? Sure.But for <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/digitalSovereignty" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#digitalSovereignty</a> we should go for something really free and federated, just like the fediverse. There are various options, of course. Each with pros and cons attached.(My personal favourite is <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Jabber</a>, which exists since 1999 and is extremely easy to use thanks to <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Quicksy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Quicksy</a> and its Indian cousin <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Prav" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Prav</a>.)<a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/UseJabberDoCrime" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#UseJabberDoCrime</a>

Debacle<a href="https://mastodon.social/@iznogoud" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@iznogoud</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/@Goffi" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@Goffi</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@xmpp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@xmpp</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@snikket_im" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@snikket_im</a> <a href="https://gultsch.social/@daniel" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@daniel</a>For this, servers would need to exchange the chat ids (JIDs), which has two problems:1. <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Privacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Privacy</a>: Not everybody would want to have their JIDs made searchable by other servers than their own.2. <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/FakeAccounts" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#FakeAccounts</a>: You can choose to trust <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Quicksy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Quicksy</a> or <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Prav" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Prav</a> or your own quicksy-like server, but everyone could make up accounts in the form `YOURphonenumber@THEIRdomain.tld`.Maybe there is a solution, but I'm not aware of it.

Debacle<a href="https://mastodon.social/@Goffi" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@Goffi</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/@iznogoud" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@iznogoud</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@xmpp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@xmpp</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@snikket_im" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@snikket_im</a> <a href="https://gultsch.social/@daniel" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@daniel</a>TTBOMK, <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Quicksy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Quicksy</a> is free software. <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Prav" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Prav</a> already have their own instance in IN. You propably could run your own or have someone run it for a you or a larger <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/community" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#community</a>.For a family or small(ish) community, I believe that <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Snikket" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Snikket</a>s invitations are the better solution.Other ways of contact discovery:(1/2)

Goffi<a href="https://mastodon.social/@iznogoud" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@iznogoud</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@xmpp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@xmpp</a> indeed, contact discovery is an identified issue.There are some answers, such as Snikket from <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@snikket_im" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@snikket_im</a> which uses an invitation mechanism, or Quicksy authored by <a href="https://gultsch.social/@daniel" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@daniel</a> which uses phone number as other IM platforms.I have ideas for another decentralized contact discovery mechanism, but lacking time to work on it and specify it right now. <a href="https://framapiaf.org/@debacle" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@debacle</a> is also interested in working on such specification.There are also public search mechanisms.<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Snikket" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Snikket</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Quicksy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Quicksy</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a>

IznogoudTo the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> community, is it possible today to set up a federated, phone number-based user addressing kind of chat network to progressively replace whatsapp and signal ?A bit like <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/quicksy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#quicksy</a> but where the server hosting your ID is where you want it to be, e.g. a VPS or your home.<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/instantmessaging" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#instantmessaging</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/privacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#privacy</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/unplugtrump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#unplugtrump</a>

Hippo 🍉My grandmother recently got locked out of <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/WhatsApp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#WhatsApp</a> because her phone broke, and the spare one we had on hand is one WhatsApp has decided is too old to run on 💀Fortunately, <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> has no such qualms! She's currently keeping up with the family group chat on <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/Quicksy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Quicksy</a> while others of us use <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/Conversations" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Conversations</a>, <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/DinoIM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#DinoIM</a>, and <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/Gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Gajim</a>. (Of course, extended family and friends are another matter 😔)This serves as a reminder that closed apps may close you out—but open protocols have your back forever! :xmpp:

Martin<a href="https://mastodon.au/users/Linux" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@Linux@mastodon.au</a> Maybe <a href="https://social.mdosch.de?t=quicksy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#quicksy</a> is the <a href="https://social.mdosch.de?t=xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#xmpp</a> for grandmas? <a href="https://framapiaf.org/users/debacle" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@debacle@framapiaf.org</a>

maple<a href="https://social.masto.host/@praveen" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@praveen</a> <a href="https://ohai.social/@ronald" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@ronald</a> <a href="https://toot.io/@ravi" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@ravi</a> But again, one of the big reasons people don't want to use <a href="https://hear-me.social/tags/WhatsApp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#WhatsApp</a>, or <a href="https://hear-me.social/tags/Telegram" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Telegram</a> (or in some cases, <a href="https://hear-me.social/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Signal</a>), other than having some aversion to big corporations, is because they want their conversations to be private and secure. And is a service requires your phone number than it is NOT private. And if you are having a conversation with someone and THEY have given up their phone number, then your conversations with them are not truly private.I hate <a href="https://hear-me.social/tags/Quicksy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Quicksy</a> with the fire of a thousand burning suns because I feel it is the one <a href="https://hear-me.social/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#xmpp</a> platform that just should not exist. It bring a level of insecurity to xmpp that has not previously existed, all because they are giving up privacy for convenience. Personally I simply would not trust that kind of platform. I understand what you are saying; there are people who are more than willing to give up privacy for convenience, in this case the convenience of only needing to use a phone number as an identifier. And in that case I say why not just leave them alone and let them stay on WhatsApp or Telegram or Signal; they are no worse off there and all their family and friends are probably there already. In fact I would argue that Signal is a far better choice for such folks, at least for now, because at least there they get more security than when using WhatsApp or Telegram and they will have a much larger community of people to talk to.

Pirate Praveen<a href="https://hear-me.social/@maple" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@maple</a> <a href="https://ohai.social/@ronald" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@ronald</a> With Quicksy, <a href="https://social.masto.host/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> can provide the same level of convenience provided by apps like <a href="https://social.masto.host/tags/WhatsApp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#WhatsApp</a>, <a href="https://social.masto.host/tags/Telegram" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Telegram</a> or <a href="https://social.masto.host/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Signal</a> to people who don't accept the complexity of traditional xmpp apps. But unlike those other apps, <a href="https://social.masto.host/tags/Quicksy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Quicksy</a> don't lock you. People who want to talk to Quicksy users can use any XMPP app. I think trying to push our choice of not using phone number on everyone does not help <a href="https://social.masto.host/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> adoption. Let people choose if they want to share phone number or not.

Hippo 🍉<a href="https://social.spejset.org/@samuel" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@samuel</a> yes! You mean emoji reactions right? <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/Conversations" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Conversations</a> (the "flagship' Android client so to speak) added support for them recently<a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/Quicksy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Quicksy</a> as well as downstream clients like <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/Cheogram" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Cheogram</a> and <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/Monocles" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Monocles</a> should be having it too (I believe Monocles actually implemented support before Conversations did)<a href="https://gultsch.social/@daniel/113338241811381298" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://gultsch.social/@daniel/113338241811381298</a>

contrapunctus ✊🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️<a href="https://mstdn.social/@rysiek" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@rysiek</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/@kkarhan" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@kkarhan</a> <a href="https://circumstances.run/@agturcz" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@agturcz</a> An awful lot of people say they've used <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> "a while back". But they're often unaware of the best of XMPP, and have an unfairly negative view of it.Did you happen to try......<a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/Snikket" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Snikket</a> for hosting? <a href="https://snikket.org" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://snikket.org</a>...apps like <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/Quicksy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Quicksy</a> and <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/Prav" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Prav</a> which use phone numbers for easy onboarding, same as <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Signal</a> <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/WhatsApp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#WhatsApp</a> or <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/Telegram" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Telegram</a>? <a href="https://quicksy.im" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://quicksy.im</a> <a href="https://prav.app" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://prav.app</a>...featureful clients like <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/Cheogram" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Cheogram</a> <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/MonoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MonoclesChat</a> <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/Gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Gajim</a> <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/Movim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Movim</a> etc?

contrapunctus ✊🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️I've seen a lot of people talking about leaving <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/WhatsApp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#WhatsApp</a>. Great!Only, don't replace one WhatsApp with another.<a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Signal</a> and <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/Threema" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Threema</a> are centralized services, and just as vulnerable to <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/enshittification" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#enshittification</a> as Twitter or WA.Instead, use a platform that's standardized and federated - <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a>, a.k.a. <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/Jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Jabber</a>.The easiest way to use it is to install <a href="https://en.osm.town/tags/Quicksy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Quicksy</a> from the Play Store, App Store, or F-Droid.Or check out my XMPP guide for more options - <a href="https://contrapunctus.codeberg.page/the-quick-and-easy-guide-to-xmpp.html" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://contrapunctus.codeberg.page/the-quick-and-easy-guide-to-xmpp.html</a>

Pirate PraveenWork on <a href="https://venera.social/profile/prav" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@prav</a> iOS app will start next week.Hoping to have one more easy on boarding option for <a href="https://social.masto.host/tags/iOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#iOS</a> users as well (<a href="https://social.masto.host/tags/Quicksy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Quicksy</a> was released for iOS recently).We have raised funds for this work from the community, thanks to everyone who contributed!Details here <a href="https://opencollective.com/prav-ios/updates/starting-work-on-prav-for-ios" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://opencollective.com/prav-ios/updates/starting-work-on-prav-for-ios</a>Prav will offer an option not in Quicksy - to choose a username to hide your phone number to other group members. This is still in progress, see <a href="https://opencollective.com/custom-username" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://opencollective.com/custom-username</a> <a href="https://social.masto.host/tags/prav" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#prav</a> <a href="https://social.masto.host/tags/ios" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#ios</a> <a href="https://social.masto.host/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#xmpp</a>

Pirate Praveen<a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@strypey</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@snikket_im" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@snikket_im</a> Delta Chat is relatively new and I don't use it. Basically I'm already familiar with <a href="https://social.masto.host/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#XMPP</a>, then <a href="https://social.masto.host/tags/Quicksy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Quicksy</a> already provides the onboarding and contact discovery familiar to most people through WhatsApp (SMS OTP sign up and contact discovery via phone book).Unlike most other software, choice of messaging app is not just personal (the social cost of not using WhatsApp is too high and not easy for most people). So we need a different strategy and well coordinated campaign.

Tuxicoman<a href="https://toot.io/@ravi" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@ravi</a> nice. How does the service or app differ from <a href="https://social.jesuislibre.net/tags/quicksy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#quicksy</a> ?

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