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Karl Voit :emacs: :orgmode:<a href="https://mathstodon.xyz/@tschenkel" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@tschenkel</a> <a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/@lproven" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@lproven</a> Yes, it is: <a href="https://karl-voit.at/2017/09/23/orgmode-as-markup-only/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://karl-voit.at/2017/09/23/orgmode-as-markup-only/</a>However, I'll publish at least 2 articles over the next weeks that summarize the issues and <a href="https://graz.social/tags/lockin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#lockin</a> effects of <a href="https://graz.social/tags/Markdown" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Markdown</a>.The solution is not just <a href="https://graz.social/tags/orgdown" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#orgdown</a> but any lightweight markup language (<a href="https://graz.social/tags/LML" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LML</a>) that lacks the downsides of Markdown: heavy fragmentation, too many issues when processed via tools, inconsistent design, hard to learn and type, ...Orgdown is just one of many candidates. 🙇 (IMO the best but that's open to subjective opinion.)

Karl Voit :emacs: :orgmode:<a href="https://fedia.social/@zstg" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@zstg</a> <a href="https://polymaths.social/@thelinuxcast" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@thelinuxcast</a> Absolutely.<a href="https://graz.social/tags/orgdown" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#orgdown</a> = the name for the syntax of Org-mode which can be used anywhere and which got great support outside of Emacs just as <a href="https://graz.social/tags/Markdown" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Markdown</a> has support outside any MD tool you name including pandoc.<a href="https://graz.social/tags/orgmode" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#orgmode</a> = Elisp implementation to Support note-taking (and much more) with a <a href="https://graz.social/tags/LML" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LML</a> named orgdown in (GNU) Emacs with highlighting and modification features.Background: <a href="https://karl-voit.at/2021/11/27/orgdown/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://karl-voit.at/2021/11/27/orgdown/</a> <a href="https://gitlab.com/publicvoit/orgdown/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://gitlab.com/publicvoit/orgdown/</a>And my current main article on that:Org Mode Syntax Is One of the Most Reasonable Markup Languages to Use for Text <a href="https://karl-voit.at/2017/09/23/orgmode-as-markup-only/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://karl-voit.at/2017/09/23/orgmode-as-markup-only/</a>I'll publish an article on the many downsides of Markdown in a few weeks. You might want to add my blog feed to your RSS aggregator.

Karl Voit :emacs: :orgmode:<a href="https://social.anoxinon.de/@gnulinux" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@gnulinux</a> Stay tuned. Ich habe zum Thema <a href="https://graz.social/tags/Markdown" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Markdown</a> + dessen fürchterliche (und zum Teil subtile) Nachteile eine Artikelserie in Arbeit.Da dies oft zu Missverständnissen führt, musste ich da etwas ausholen - kostet viel Zeit zum Recherchieren & Schreiben.Den Großteil habe ich bereits.Nur soviel: statt MD sollte man Lightweight Markup Languages (<a href="https://graz.social/tags/LML" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LML</a>) verwenden, die in ihrer ursprünglichen Definition bereits so definiert wurden, dass man die wichtigsten Syntaxelemente nicht erst mit (zueinander inkompatiblen) Flavors usw. bekommt.MD hat ja schon in der Urform beispielsweise zwei unterschiedliche Typen von Headings definiert. 🤦‍♂️<a href="https://graz.social/tags/Orgdown" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Orgdown</a> ist so ein Vertreter, das meiner Meinung nach auch die beste Wahl für einen Ersatz zu Markdown ist. Ein Umstieg hat - je nach Anforderungsset - durchaus viele Vorteile, die man erst dann erkennt, wenn man mal Markdown losgeworden ist. Und da zähle ich den hervorragenden Tool-Support durch <a href="https://graz.social/tags/Emacs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Emacs</a> noch gar nicht dazu. Der ist auch optional. :emacs:

Karl Voit :emacs: :orgmode:<a href="https://graz.social/tags/LibreOffice" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LibreOffice</a> möchte <a href="https://graz.social/tags/Markdown" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Markdown</a> unterstützen: <a href="https://www.heise.de/news/LibreOffice-erhaelt-Markdown-Support-10477309.html" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.heise.de/news/LibreOffice-erhaelt-Markdown-Support-10477309.html</a>Dumme Idee.Mein Kommentar: <a href="https://www.heise.de/forum/heise-online/Kommentare/LibreOffice-erhaelt-Markdown-Support/Keine-gute-Idee-Es-gibt-nicht-das-Markdown-Nehmt-was-anderes-oder-lasst-es/posting-45328375/show/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.heise.de/forum/heise-online/Kommentare/LibreOffice-erhaelt-Markdown-Support/Keine-gute-Idee-Es-gibt-nicht-das-Markdown-Nehmt-was-anderes-oder-lasst-es/posting-45328375/show/</a><a href="https://graz.social/tags/LML" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LML</a> <a href="https://graz.social/tags/orgdown" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#orgdown</a> <a href="https://graz.social/tags/MD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MD</a> <a href="https://graz.social/tags/LML" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LML</a>

Karl Voit :emacs: :orgmode:Should I dare to do a "why <a href="https://graz.social/tags/Markdown" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Markdown</a> is one of the worst lightweight markup syntax languages there is"-session at a UX/UI-dominant <a href="https://graz.social/tags/barcamp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#barcamp</a>? 😜 C'mon, do push me over that cliff! 😆 Background: <a href="https://karl-voit.at/2017/09/23/orgmode-as-markup-only/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://karl-voit.at/2017/09/23/orgmode-as-markup-only/</a> 👉 it's related but would be a different focus since I won't push <a href="https://graz.social/tags/orgdown" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#orgdown</a> that much - people can be happier with other LMLs as well as long as it's not the <a href="https://graz.social/tags/MD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MD</a> hell. (Sneak preview: I'm writing a long article on all the MD issues in order to explain it once and for all since the Mastodon discussions are really annoying to me.) <a href="https://graz.social/tags/LML" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LML</a> <a href="https://graz.social/tags/AsciiDoc" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#AsciiDoc</a> <a href="https://graz.social/tags/rSt" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#rSt</a> <a href="https://graz.social/tags/WikiText" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#WikiText</a> <a href="https://graz.social/tags/orgmode" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#orgmode</a>

Karl Voit :emacs: :orgmode:<a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/@ajlewis2" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@ajlewis2</a> <a href="https://pkm.social/@ellane" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@ellane</a> <a href="https://union.place/@feralthoughts" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@feralthoughts</a> <a href="https://c.im/@hbowie" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@hbowie</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/@reichenstein" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@reichenstein</a> Just for clarification: same holds true for any other markup supported by pandoc, not just <a href="https://graz.social/tags/Markdown" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Markdown</a>. However, if you stick with a syntax language that doesn't come with this explosion of flavors, you have less issues converting your data - in some cases you don't even have to convert at all any more.The issue with Markdown is that its original form defined a small minimum of elements and each tool defined its own potentially incompatible extensions. With other <a href="https://graz.social/tags/LML" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LML</a>, the "original" or its standard defines the maximum set of elements and therefore, there is no need for "flavors" and no data loss or conversion effort.HTH<a href="https://graz.social/tags/AsciiDoc" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#AsciiDoc</a> <a href="https://graz.social/tags/orgmode" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#orgmode</a> <a href="https://graz.social/tags/orgdown" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#orgdown</a> <a href="https://graz.social/tags/Obsidian" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Obsidian</a> <a href="https://graz.social/tags/PIM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#PIM</a>

Karl Voit :emacs: :orgmode:<a href="https://fosstodon.org/@amoroso" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@amoroso</a> My thoughts:- They mix up Markdown with the general term lightweight <a href="https://graz.social/tags/markup" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#markup</a> language (as if <a href="https://graz.social/tags/Markdown" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Markdown</a> is the only <a href="https://graz.social/tags/LML" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LML</a> syntax)- They ignore all other markup syntax examples such as (La)TeX, HTML, ...- great screenshots of Word for DOS upwards 👍- the title should be "<a href="https://graz.social/tags/WYSIWYG" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#WYSIWYG</a> vs. LML" (instead of the Word vs. Markdown story)- no mentioning of other LML examplesWell it looks, as if we're settling for a mediocre standard again.Related: <a href="https://karl-voit.at/2017/09/23/orgmode-as-markup-only/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://karl-voit.at/2017/09/23/orgmode-as-markup-only/</a><a href="https://graz.social/tags/orgdown" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#orgdown</a> <a href="https://graz.social/tags/orgmode" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#orgmode</a>

Karl Voit :emacs: :orgmode:<a href="https://corteximplant.com/@Xhuul" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@Xhuul</a> I haven't found any decent <a href="https://graz.social/tags/Markdown" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Markdown</a> editor yet that convinced me.And yes, I prefer Emacs with <a href="https://graz.social/tags/orgmode" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#orgmode</a>.I even write my text in Org and use the export-to-MD functions to generate the appropriate <a href="https://graz.social/tags/MD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MD</a>.That also saves me from remembering the MD-specifics of the current export target. I always mix up the MD flavors currently at hand because I need to use different MD-enabled tools on a daily basis and all of them have their special markup variants - sometimes it's even necessary to use, e.g., different table syntax (within the same MD tool!) for different table properties such as line breaks and stuff. It's really a bad mess with MD. 😔 Btw: <a href="https://karl-voit.at/2017/09/23/orgmode-as-markup-only/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://karl-voit.at/2017/09/23/orgmode-as-markup-only/</a><a href="https://graz.social/tags/LML" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#LML</a> <a href="https://graz.social/tags/markupsyntax" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#markupsyntax</a> <a href="https://graz.social/tags/markup" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#markup</a> <a href="https://graz.social/tags/syntax" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#syntax</a>

michaelpollak:fff: Bei der Kickoff Veranstaltung des Land Mobil Lab (<a href="https://fedi.at/tags/lml" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#lml</a>) unser Projekt <a href="https://fedi.at/tags/Nachbarschaftsauto" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Nachbarschaftsauto</a> vorgestellt. Super Location in Zwettl bei Frau Ida und tolle Menschen. Spannend was alles in Bewegung ist! :masto_love:🚌🚲 Jetzt im Bus zurück nach Windigsteig. Freu mich auf radlfahren bei dem Traumwetter :masto_love: <a href="https://fedi.at/tags/mobilit%C3%A4t" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#mobilität</a> <a href="https://fedi.at/tags/waldviertel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#waldviertel</a>

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