@KazukyAkayashi je suis plutot utilisateur de #xmpp donc #conversations.

L'interface m'a parue plus compliquée. Trop d'options (genre la barre de navigation, les notes privées...)

Pas d'explication sur l'intérêt de monter un serveur. Si j'ai bien compris, les messages font du routing par les serveurs de SimpleX même si on monte son serveur.

Je comprends et j'adhère a l'architecture. Mais voila, je ne voudrais pas que ce soit plus complexe que #quicksy

By the way, if you don't know what XMPP is. It is a messaging protocol. You can get started with #Quicksy or #Prav.

@vort3 @ravi more exactly Quicksy fork, so now people can choose between #Quicksy and #Prav. The value addition over conversations is, this bindling of app, client and a directory makes joining #xmpp easy for people who are used to apps that only needs your phone number.

@iznogoud @Goffi @xmpp @snikket_im @daniel

For this, servers would need to exchange the chat ids (JIDs), which has two problems:

1. #Privacy: Not everybody would want to have their JIDs made searchable by other servers than their own.

2. #FakeAccounts: You can choose to trust #Quicksy or #Prav or your own quicksy-like server, but everyone could make up accounts in the form `YOURphonenumber@THEIRdomain.tld`.

Maybe there is a solution, but I'm not aware of it.

@Goffi @iznogoud @xmpp @snikket_im @daniel

TTBOMK, #Quicksy is free software. #Prav already have their own instance in IN. You propably could run your own or have someone run it for a you or a larger #community.

For a family or small(ish) community, I believe that #Snikkets invitations are the better solution.

Other ways of contact discovery:

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@iznogoud @xmpp indeed, contact discovery is an identified issue.

There are some answers, such as Snikket from @snikket_im which uses an invitation mechanism, or Quicksy authored by @daniel which uses phone number as other IM platforms.

I have ideas for another decentralized contact discovery mechanism, but lacking time to work on it and specify it right now. @debacle is also interested in working on such specification.

There are also public search mechanisms.

@praveen @ronald @ravi But again, one of the big reasons people don't want to use #WhatsApp, or #Telegram (or in some cases, #Signal), other than having some aversion to big corporations, is because they want their conversations to be private and secure. And is a service requires your phone number than it is NOT private. And if you are having a conversation with someone and THEY have given up their phone number, then your conversations with them are not truly private.

I hate #Quicksy with the fire of a thousand burning suns because I feel it is the one #xmpp platform that just should not exist. It bring a level of insecurity to xmpp that has not previously existed, all because they are giving up privacy for convenience. Personally I simply would not trust that kind of platform. I understand what you are saying; there are people who are more than willing to give up privacy for convenience, in this case the convenience of only needing to use a phone number as an identifier. And in that case I say why not just leave them alone and let them stay on WhatsApp or Telegram or Signal; they are no worse off there and all their family and friends are probably there already. In fact I would argue that Signal is a far better choice for such folks, at least for now, because at least there they get more security than when using WhatsApp or Telegram and they will have a much larger community of people to talk to.

@maple @ronald With Quicksy, #XMPP can provide the same level of convenience provided by apps like #WhatsApp, #Telegram or #Signal to people who don't accept the complexity of traditional xmpp apps. But unlike those other apps, #Quicksy don't lock you. People who want to talk to Quicksy users can use any XMPP app. I think trying to push our choice of not using phone number on everyone does not help #XMPP adoption. Let people choose if they want to share phone number or not.

@samuel yes! You mean emoji reactions right? #Conversations (the "flagship' Android client so to speak) added support for them recently

#Quicksy as well as downstream clients like #Cheogram and #Monocles should be having it too (I believe Monocles actually implemented support before Conversations did)

https://gultsch.social/@daniel/113338241811381298

@rysiek @kkarhan @agturcz An awful lot of people say they've used #XMPP "a while back". But they're often unaware of the best of XMPP, and have an unfairly negative view of it.

Did you happen to try...

...#Snikket for hosting?
https://snikket.org

...apps like #Quicksy and #Prav which use phone numbers for easy onboarding, same as #Signal #WhatsApp or #Telegram?
https://quicksy.im
https://prav.app

...featureful clients like #Cheogram #MonoclesChat #Gajim #Movim etc?

@strypey @snikket_im Delta Chat is relatively new and I don't use it. Basically I'm already familiar with #XMPP, then #Quicksy already provides the onboarding and contact discovery familiar to most people through WhatsApp (SMS OTP sign up and contact discovery via phone book).

Unlike most other software, choice of messaging app is not just personal (the social cost of not using WhatsApp is too high and not easy for most people). So we need a different strategy and well coordinated campaign.

@ravi nice.

How does the service or app differ from #quicksy ?