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Should I dare to do a "why #Markdown is one of the worst lightweight markup syntax languages there is"-session at a UX/UI-dominant #barcamp? 😜

C'mon, do push me over that cliff! 😆

Background: karl-voit.at/2017/09/23/orgmod 👉 it's related but would be a different focus since I won't push #orgdown that much - people can be happier with other LMLs as well as long as it's not the #MD hell. (Sneak preview: I'm writing a long article on all the MD issues in order to explain it once and for all since the Mastodon discussions are really annoying to me.)

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@ajlewis2 @ellane @feralthoughts @hbowie @reichenstein

Just for clarification: same holds true for any other markup supported by pandoc, not just #Markdown.

However, if you stick with a syntax language that doesn't come with this explosion of flavors, you have less issues converting your data - in some cases you don't even have to convert at all any more.

The issue with Markdown is that its original form defined a small minimum of elements and each tool defined its own potentially incompatible extensions. With other #LML, the "original" or its standard defines the maximum set of elements and therefore, there is no need for "flavors" and no data loss or conversion effort.

HTH

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@amoroso My thoughts:

- They mix up Markdown with the general term lightweight #markup language (as if #Markdown is the only #LML syntax)

- They ignore all other markup syntax examples such as (La)TeX, HTML, ...

- great screenshots of Word for DOS upwards 👍

- the title should be "#WYSIWYG vs. LML" (instead of the Word vs. Markdown story)

- no mentioning of other LML examples

Well it looks, as if we're settling for a mediocre standard again.

Related: karl-voit.at/2017/09/23/orgmod

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@Xhuul I haven't found any decent #Markdown editor yet that convinced me.

And yes, I prefer Emacs with #orgmode.

I even write my text in Org and use the export-to-MD functions to generate the appropriate #MD.

That also saves me from remembering the MD-specifics of the current export target. I always mix up the MD flavors currently at hand because I need to use different MD-enabled tools on a daily basis and all of them have their special markup variants - sometimes it's even necessary to use, e.g., different table syntax (within the same MD tool!) for different table properties such as line breaks and stuff. It's really a bad mess with MD. 😔

Btw: karl-voit.at/2017/09/23/orgmod

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With #Markdown, the original (inconsistently designed) #LML syntax format is a minimal set that made much sense when used when typing emails and so forth. Later-on, various tools needed more syntax elements for obvious reasons. Those syntax add-ons extended the original Markdown. However, they were not standardized.

This resulted in a zoo of very similar but incompatible set of Markdown flavors. Those differences cause information loss by moving from one "Markdown" tool to another "Markdown" tool because Markdown is not Markdown in most cases.

In contrast to that, #orgdown, the syntax of #Emacs #orgmode, as the one and only original form has - by far - the largest set of syntax elements and various extensions by modules. Any other adaptation of this syntax in other tools chose a real sub-set of the original syntax elements. This makes data transitions much smoother, is less error-prone and causes less data loss.

More on that: karl-voit.at/2017/09/23/orgmod

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