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I'm sorry to say that (again), but: Everyone would be better off if we'd just drop the BS idea of "apps" and embrace #PWA as the architecture to build products.
- Oh you want to use our platform, we're terribly sorry but it's iOS only.
- Oh you want to use feature-X on web? Sorry, but we prefer that you install our supper-crappy-app so that we have some vague vanity metrics for ourselves and on you.
- Ah feature-Y? Yeah that exists only on web.
Especially for the "works only on web" part: You have to build the feature _at least_ 3 times if you don't go with #PWA. And if you decide to _not_ build it in native, then frankly that's just super crap User Experience.
Looking at you #Strava. Your excuses are pathetic for some of the things that are missing.
Oh you think that you have to use [platform X], because it's polished animations, OS integrations, and advanced APIs? Welp.
Nobody. Gives. A. Crap.
People want your app to [do the thing] and be able to never open it again.
Personal story from this weekend: My mum wanted me to "do stuff with her phone". Lessons learned:
- People can not distinguish between apps, ads and in-app ads. They are all the same for them.
- People don't effing care about [thing] being an app or web page. What they do care about is if they get a quick access icon on the desktop.
- People do install apps because of FOMO, without any plan to use them.
- Login is the most discouraging thing you can introduce to your app. Period.
@MichalBryxi@veganism.social does pwa work the same on all browsers?
Yes it does*
*: Unless you hit some super shitty edge case on Safari or are using non-polyfilled version of an API that is not mainstream yet.
@stephan I also don't understand this argument: When you go native you literally lock yourself to one platform and version and nobody seems to care about this. Well built PWAs somehow work in some shape or form on virtually any device. So, in my mind, you are _always_ getting a better theoretical reach.
In practice, however, thanks to shit practices (mainly from Apple) you will be bashed for trying to get your PWAs to AppStore. And that's what is huge differentiator that IMO made PWAs not mainstream yet.
@MichalBryxi@veganism.social I use it for my Sharkey instance… but somehow I use safari (prefer Firefox in general). (Forgot why)
@MichalBryxi I love apps that let you do something until the last step and then ask you to login/create an account. And by love I mean hate.
@alsorew @MichalBryxi by app you mean trapp.
@alsorew Cause metrics! Conversions! Vanity stats! 
@MichalBryxi But then the data gets leaked, and they get a PR hit. If they want to send me spam, they can just get my email from a bajillion previous leaks, no need to bother with all that app nonsense.
@MichalBryxi when I was in academia our design policy was to look at the metrics and put the thing that people most used at the top right. Some of the departments still wanted "welcome to my webpage"
@kastope I think I've heard it over here:
- We've decided that trains will go only at 10am and 11am.
- Why?
- Metrics!
- ???
- We've looked at the times people are buying tickets and it's almost always at 9:45 and 10:45! We're using metrics!
- That's not ... What ... How do you ... Eh, nothing...
@MichalBryxi wait, are you under the impression that apps are for the benefit of the user?
@mensrea I sense sarcasm there. I can't tell. Because (vaguely points at everything) life lately...